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was an fbi agent. i worked as a federal prosecutor the report directly to the department ofjustice. they work for the department justice. the idea you didot know about it, i don't understand that. lou: is it even imaginable that the head of the fbi and te attorney general would not have some considerable discussion about surveillance of the hed of the country's foremost spy agency? we will come right back with the case for an answer that question. at least the lou: fiscal cliff, fiscal cliff. you think we will be able to get a solution, these things, the president will stand up and leave in the two partiesill come together, embrace higher taxes and less spending? >> yes, i do. i really beliive in this country. labeling the country the brightest spot in the world two weeks ago. something has to be done, this is his moment to leave. >> i hope you are right. lou: do you agree or just hoping? >> i am in the hoping cegory. i have not seen any indication in that, any indication of embracing. neil: saying rep
was an fbi agent. i worked as a federal prosecutor the report directly to the department ofjustice. they work for the department justice. the idea you didot know about it, i don't understand that. lou: is it even imaginable that the head of the fbi and te attorney general would not have some considerable discussion about surveillance of the hed of the country's foremost spy agency? we will come right back with the case for an answer that question. at least the lou: fiscal cliff, fiscal cliff....
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the fbi apparently acted by the book. you don't tip off the white house when you're engaging in a potentially criminal investigation. the agent in florida who then worried that the investigation was being stalled and went to a republican congressman who went to eric cantor, he has an illustrious record. he helped bring down the millennium plot. you can't blame him, either, for his apparent concern that this was not being studied appear prop it i can't tellly. so then the story got out, and i think general petraeus has acted honorably in resigning. i think he is going to do fine. he is going to get a book contract. he apparently wants to be president of princeton. he will have a year of probably giving speeches, making a lot of money. i don't feel sorry for him. >> if he wrote a book with the lady who wrote about him, paula broadwell, all in the education of david petraeus. he cooperated practically on the entire book. now he's going to write another book? >> he can write one about himself. he's not the author of this. thi
the fbi apparently acted by the book. you don't tip off the white house when you're engaging in a potentially criminal investigation. the agent in florida who then worried that the investigation was being stalled and went to a republican congressman who went to eric cantor, he has an illustrious record. he helped bring down the millennium plot. you can't blame him, either, for his apparent concern that this was not being studied appear prop it i can't tellly. so then the story got out, and i...
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the fbi. as i understand it they have protocols in place for when the notify the legislative and executive branches of investigations. the fbi is the place to go in terms of explanation the protocols they follow. i would refer, that said earlier, to policies in place at the fbi for how they deal with notifications investigations. lou: as you saw and heard, a frustrating day for the white house press corps. the president spokesman however did not shy away from a question on this petraeus would testify in front of congress on benghazi. made it clear the administration is firmly supportive of petraeus' successor. he will be facing questions that are still lingering over if the cia refused requests for help on the ground on september 11 and why three days after that attack then director petraeus but in the attack in the flash mob incited by childish, amateurish, less than 14 minutes long youtube video. >> is up to congress to make decisions of who is called to testify. but the president is confide
the fbi. as i understand it they have protocols in place for when the notify the legislative and executive branches of investigations. the fbi is the place to go in terms of explanation the protocols they follow. i would refer, that said earlier, to policies in place at the fbi for how they deal with notifications investigations. lou: as you saw and heard, a frustrating day for the white house press corps. the president spokesman however did not shy away from a question on this petraeus would...
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when you have those two things, that's the fbi's real role. in terms of the cia, they wouldn't have taken an investigatory look. i think they're going to have to deal with the shock of it all. >> paula introduced herself to david petraeus. she was a paratrooper, attractive, in great shape. petraeus has always be attracted to intellectual officers. she was writing a book. they used to in afghanistan, they would go on five-mile jogs together, but he goes out on file mile jogs with a lot of reporters who are capable, but it's a very strange and completely surprising. >> it is and i'll leave it with this, that paula broadwell just published this week, general david petraeus' rules for living. we all make mistake, learn from them, drive on and avoid making them again. next, we have more on the resignation. peter king, the chair of the homeland security committee with how it could put the u.s. at risk. plus, after spending millions to elect mitt romney, has karl rove lost his touch? a look at all the money spent and wasted this election and it has b
when you have those two things, that's the fbi's real role. in terms of the cia, they wouldn't have taken an investigatory look. i think they're going to have to deal with the shock of it all. >> paula introduced herself to david petraeus. she was a paratrooper, attractive, in great shape. petraeus has always be attracted to intellectual officers. she was writing a book. they used to in afghanistan, they would go on five-mile jogs together, but he goes out on file mile jogs with a lot of...
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was not passed to the head of the fbi for four days t took four days to find the head of the fbi, i don't know why, and the fbi is saying the reason why they can't get information promptly to the director is because hurricane sandy delayed the message. figure on that one. the fbi may be at her house tonight but they have been dragging their feet trying to move this. >> well, i think there's still a lot of questions that are to be answered as to the timeline, why certain things were done when. i think that's one of the big outstanding questions. but, you know, a lot of it gets back to the very beginning, which is the question i've heard a lot from folks of that just been reading our stories is why did the fbi start this investigation anyway? i get weird or annoying e-mails all the time and i don't run to the fbi and if i did i don't know that the fbi would do anything about it. that's another reason there's some i think gaps that need to be explained as to how this process began and where it ended up. >> of course, you have to go back to the fact there are four americans mured in the
was not passed to the head of the fbi for four days t took four days to find the head of the fbi, i don't know why, and the fbi is saying the reason why they can't get information promptly to the director is because hurricane sandy delayed the message. figure on that one. the fbi may be at her house tonight but they have been dragging their feet trying to move this. >> well, i think there's still a lot of questions that are to be answered as to the timeline, why certain things were done...
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she went to the fbi and doesn't realize that the fbi would do a total investigation in on her as well call petraeus. >> she is getting e-mails. and wouldn't she go to petraeus, you wouldn't believe this e-mail. i am getting them. >> if she had shame. >> but she thought she was so connected no one could bring her down. >> that is it a double entrendry. >> there is it one lawsuit and you know that a civil one could come between jill kelley and suing paula broadwell. she has been psycher stalked and she could actually go out and go after paula for doing that. >> you are sleeping with the head of the cia and you can write an autobigrammy . and you have no credentials to do and we'll award you money. >> some people think the terrorist attack caused by a youtube video. and people may. >> gloria allred will call jim kelley. >> her name will not be smoking. >> aren't you concerned about the fact that men can be so weak that they can're - can be manipulated. if you could read my mind 23 hours a day. we are sick human beings and we are visually stimulated and sexually predatorial. nand yes, we
she went to the fbi and doesn't realize that the fbi would do a total investigation in on her as well call petraeus. >> she is getting e-mails. and wouldn't she go to petraeus, you wouldn't believe this e-mail. i am getting them. >> if she had shame. >> but she thought she was so connected no one could bring her down. >> that is it a double entrendry. >> there is it one lawsuit and you know that a civil one could come between jill kelley and suing paula broadwell....
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, the way fbi handled this last -- the last couple days we're being told the fbi just happened to wrap up the case the week before the election. it did the final interviews with david petraeus and paula broadwell. that last week. just a few days before the election and then they wrap up the case and tell james clapper. now, it turns out, the case wasn't quite wrapped up, they still had more additional work to do with the search on paula broadwell's house and they had this additional information about general allen that they felt compelled to alert the white house and the pentagon about so that raises the question why was it just that week of election day they first go to clapper and does it have anything to do with the phone call that eric cantor the house majority leader made to the fbi just a few days before? >> andrea -- if i could just add one point, talking to lawmakers on the hill saying yet again, they're learning about this through media reports and that is only fanning the flames of their frustration which they first started talking about at the end of last week should have be
, the way fbi handled this last -- the last couple days we're being told the fbi just happened to wrap up the case the week before the election. it did the final interviews with david petraeus and paula broadwell. that last week. just a few days before the election and then they wrap up the case and tell james clapper. now, it turns out, the case wasn't quite wrapped up, they still had more additional work to do with the search on paula broadwell's house and they had this additional information...
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the fbi thought that he would be immediately asked to resign. that's what would normally happen with a government employee, but, in fact, the white house said no, we want to wait until after the election. so agents were furious. i've been given insight to the actual agents that were doing the case, and they think it's inexcusable that this was allowed to continue for months without firing him. >> let me just jump in there, ronald. obviously, this is all your independent claims and reporting. we've been unable to corroborate this in the time scale we've had tonight but you do have very good fbi sources. i want to turn to bob baer. he's the cnn contributor. does this make sense to you that this could be the sequence of events? >> oh, absolutely, but i tend to attribute more significance to the fbi of getting into petraeus' e-mails. the fbi, as a matter of course, doesn't look at affairs, doesn't read military officers' e-mails or cia officers. they have to be alerted to some sort of crime or counterintelligence problem. i can only speculate what t
the fbi thought that he would be immediately asked to resign. that's what would normally happen with a government employee, but, in fact, the white house said no, we want to wait until after the election. so agents were furious. i've been given insight to the actual agents that were doing the case, and they think it's inexcusable that this was allowed to continue for months without firing him. >> let me just jump in there, ronald. obviously, this is all your independent claims and...
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it is now known kelly call the fbi asking them to investigate threatening e-mails. she began receiving the e-mails around the same time paula broadwell's affair with the cia director was ending. the fbi traced them back to broadwell's computer that led officials to conclude the nation's cia director was involved in the affair with the woman who just this january publicly complemented petraeus' wife. >> he's married to holly petraeus, a wonderful military spouse and has done so much for their children and children of fallen soldiers, i respect her. >> reporter: at issue now, if the affair began while petraeus was still a general he could be prosecuted for adulty. broadwell spent plenty time with petraeus in afghanistan. >> for him to allow the first biography to be written about him, to be written by someone who had never written a book before, seemed odd to me. >> reporter: a retired colonel and longtime aide to petraeus came to his does. >> there was no relationship then as far as affair. the affair started after he had been in the cia, after he retired from the ar
it is now known kelly call the fbi asking them to investigate threatening e-mails. she began receiving the e-mails around the same time paula broadwell's affair with the cia director was ending. the fbi traced them back to broadwell's computer that led officials to conclude the nation's cia director was involved in the affair with the woman who just this january publicly complemented petraeus' wife. >> he's married to holly petraeus, a wonderful military spouse and has done so much for...
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you have a situation where the fbi, let's start with the fbi. they going into ms. broadwell, what's her name again? >> paula broadwell's. >> paula broadwell's house and taking out boxes of stuff. now there san accusation that she may have had national security stuff in there? what's that all about. >> remember, she a reservist with military intelligence. she lt. colonel. it's not clear whether she was activated. but she did have a clearance at one point. so, supposedly, she took classified documents. she took them from government facilities but she wasn't allowed to have them in her house. so they are looking at whether or not national security breaches. david petraeus was not responsible for giving her those documents. kelley and petraeus at this point is just a personal matter an embarrassing personal matter, that's all. no other national security implications. >> between broadwell, yeah. between paula broadwell and david petraeus, it's an affair, there are questions whether she could be charged under the uniform code of military justice if she was activated in h
you have a situation where the fbi, let's start with the fbi. they going into ms. broadwell, what's her name again? >> paula broadwell's. >> paula broadwell's house and taking out boxes of stuff. now there san accusation that she may have had national security stuff in there? what's that all about. >> remember, she a reservist with military intelligence. she lt. colonel. it's not clear whether she was activated. but she did have a clearance at one point. so, supposedly, she...
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see, what the fbi -- the fbi got authority under the current foreign intelligence surveillance act to issue national security letters. they can do that inside the fbi without going to a u.s. attorney. my point is there may have been a predicate here, but it's not clear that there was. if the fbi is going to investigate every harassment case, because it's on the internet, they're going to be shut for business and not be able to do anything else, right? so you make judgments about when is there a predicate and is this a priority. that's not clear until you trace this for awhile and get to petraeus, and the question i'm raising is why, what was the predicate, why did they pursue it. >> once it gets to petraeus, tom, and i want your expertise here, what would happen? because i would imagine as soon as they realized david petraeus is involved, there must be a whole series of hoops they have to jump through or markers they have to hit. >> once they identified paula broadwell as the sender of the messages to kelley, then they subpoena the rest of her records and they see an exchange of anony
see, what the fbi -- the fbi got authority under the current foreign intelligence surveillance act to issue national security letters. they can do that inside the fbi without going to a u.s. attorney. my point is there may have been a predicate here, but it's not clear that there was. if the fbi is going to investigate every harassment case, because it's on the internet, they're going to be shut for business and not be able to do anything else, right? so you make judgments about when is there a...
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the fbi is also investigating. general petraeus to me -- i feel heartbroken about this -- is and always will be a truly exception american hero. he is like eisenhower. eisenhower had an affair also and he didn't resign. the idea that david petraeus can be blackmailed because he has a woman friend is totally ridiculous. this man -- this man has put his life at risk for his country over and over again. somebody's going to come to him and say, you better give us secrets or i'm going to tell your wife you have a girlfriend. at some pointo have to grow up. half our presidents would have had to resign over this. >> greta: let me play devil's advocate, if he is vulnerable enough to want to hide something, the reason why you tell all in these investigations, when you get the job, you want to disclose them is so that you don't become material for blackmail. >> right. >> greta: there is also the added problem, that as a man of his great stature tdoes send a message to others in the military about -- about honor, trust and di
the fbi is also investigating. general petraeus to me -- i feel heartbroken about this -- is and always will be a truly exception american hero. he is like eisenhower. eisenhower had an affair also and he didn't resign. the idea that david petraeus can be blackmailed because he has a woman friend is totally ridiculous. this man -- this man has put his life at risk for his country over and over again. somebody's going to come to him and say, you better give us secrets or i'm going to tell your...
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>> when you have a jealous woman, jealous women can out fbi the fbi any day of the week. there is some chemical reaction that turns us into nsa agents. and we will go after those we deem a threat which is apparently what happened here and i guarantee you she knows every pass word she nodes to know. women are better cia agents. no offense, mike baker. >> he says he was in the cia, but the way he dresses it is like, who can believe that? >> he is mad that i didn't go to him first. you were upset. >> i am not. i was laughing about the intro. i haven't actually heard the story introd before. what is your take on this? a, he made a serious, serious mistake. he owned up to it. i think part of the surprise is they are not used to seeing a high level washington official do the right thing after confessing to a mistake. in bill clinton's own words, a couple days before the election he was in an obama rail lee. he stood there and said, you know when i was younger and i was caught with my hand in the cookie jar, i just take my hand out of the cookie jar. we were being lectured about
>> when you have a jealous woman, jealous women can out fbi the fbi any day of the week. there is some chemical reaction that turns us into nsa agents. and we will go after those we deem a threat which is apparently what happened here and i guarantee you she knows every pass word she nodes to know. women are better cia agents. no offense, mike baker. >> he says he was in the cia, but the way he dresses it is like, who can believe that? >> he is mad that i didn't go to him...
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that's the concern here from the fbi's standpoint. the new york times reporting that the house and senate intel committees didn't know about it until this week, though they should be briefed on this type of thing. it's a major problem. also, i mean, he has a detail, he's the cia chief. if he was messing around, didn't the detail know about it? >> greta: unless it predated his timive that's tru. we tonight know. >> what is the role of the timing here? obviously, this was going on well before the election. have you the election going on. you have republicans -- some of whom wanted to make more political issue out of benghazi and then you had this -- potentially explosive development going on. why did we find out about it immediately after the election? want before? >> greta: how about senator dianne feinstein, in theic chair of the senate select committee on intel in she said that the president shouldn't have accepted the resignation. >> yeah, look, i think that's crazy. first of all, the message it would send, if people knew what he wa
that's the concern here from the fbi's standpoint. the new york times reporting that the house and senate intel committees didn't know about it until this week, though they should be briefed on this type of thing. it's a major problem. also, i mean, he has a detail, he's the cia chief. if he was messing around, didn't the detail know about it? >> greta: unless it predated his timive that's tru. we tonight know. >> what is the role of the timing here? obviously, this was going on...
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we know the fbi is conducting an investigation into general petraeus biographer. this is a woman who had close access to general petraeus and the fbi is looking at the access that she had or was trying to have to his e-mail accounts including classified information. there's no indication that she got very far, that any classified information was divulged and no implication that general petraeus himself was under investigation for passing along any secrets. that's what we learned. >> is it our understanding that the fbi investigation into that side of it is the reason this had to happen today. it was going to become widely known if not publicly known? >> we haven't been able to confirm that direct link. we spoken to law enforcement officials who have made a round about link into this but no one has said that the reason he's stepping down is because there was an fbi investigation into this woman as he's announcing his extramarital affairs. the timing piece of it while this fbi investigation may have been a factor, we haven't been told it was the factor that led to t
we know the fbi is conducting an investigation into general petraeus biographer. this is a woman who had close access to general petraeus and the fbi is looking at the access that she had or was trying to have to his e-mail accounts including classified information. there's no indication that she got very far, that any classified information was divulged and no implication that general petraeus himself was under investigation for passing along any secrets. that's what we learned. >> is it...
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he had a contact in the fbi who raised this concern to him. he passed it along to the chief of staff of eric cantor's office who then was put in touch with the fbi. knowing how things work in cantor's office, it -- they run by the letter of the law to a "t," so i'm sure everything was done with heavy legal counsel and guidance. >> something like this, jim, you know the way the senate intelligence committee folks work particularly on both sides of this. finding out that an fbi agent -- we're calling this person a whistleblower, is that a fair description? >> i'm not quite sure i'm convinced i know what to describe this person as. i've listened to previous reports on msnbc. there are all sorts of rumors swirling around. i'm just not sure if that's the case or not. but i think there is a fair case to be made and has been by senator feinstein that she should have been given a heads up earlier than she was. no doubt about it. she has an amazing ability to keep things secret. >> fair enough. i want to go to fiscal cliff. i think there are two questi
he had a contact in the fbi who raised this concern to him. he passed it along to the chief of staff of eric cantor's office who then was put in touch with the fbi. knowing how things work in cantor's office, it -- they run by the letter of the law to a "t," so i'm sure everything was done with heavy legal counsel and guidance. >> something like this, jim, you know the way the senate intelligence committee folks work particularly on both sides of this. finding out that an fbi...
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being forced to admit it because of an fbi investigation into e-mail access of the director's e-mail. >> suarez: e-mail access by the woman in question, paula broadwell, the author of "all in" >> right, exactly, presumably by this author who it written his biography, very glowing account of the general. and spent extensive time with the general in war zones. >> suarez: so these kinds of stories, in another place in the government, in another position in government, would an official be able to ride this out? is the cea different from serving in other places in government? >> well, you know, even in this case you have a few voices out there who think petraeus could have written this out. senator feinstein the chairman of the senate intelligence committee issued a statement today saying she doesn't think he needed to resign. although she understands why he did. but you're right, i mean, when you are the head of the cia and you are-- have access to some of the nation's most sensitive secrets, and you are caught in a situation in which you could be compromised, blackmailed or somebody els
being forced to admit it because of an fbi investigation into e-mail access of the director's e-mail. >> suarez: e-mail access by the woman in question, paula broadwell, the author of "all in" >> right, exactly, presumably by this author who it written his biography, very glowing account of the general. and spent extensive time with the general in war zones. >> suarez: so these kinds of stories, in another place in the government, in another position in government,...
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if your name came up as part of an fbi investigation or adjacent to an fbi vacation, how long would it take tor your name to get up to the president? he said two or three hours. if h the president was out of te country, probably aay day. no more than that. >> pat, obviously you had nothing to do with this. i want everyone to try to understand what happens in the f.b.i. if theet fbi is then investigatg the head of the cia, now, remember,he this started in may. they knew it was petraeus by the summer, and they actually interviewed petraeus and his paramour broadwell for the second time in september or october. wouldn't they have an obligation to tell the president? >> well, listen. the fbi works with the department of justice and eric holder stated he was aware of the investigation. >> why didn't holder tell the president? >> that i can't answer you. i can tell you that bob muller is a very ethical man, a very good man. >> i have to agree with you, pat. >> no doubt in my mind that they advised the attorney general. why the attorney general did not advise the president i think we need to
if your name came up as part of an fbi investigation or adjacent to an fbi vacation, how long would it take tor your name to get up to the president? he said two or three hours. if h the president was out of te country, probably aay day. no more than that. >> pat, obviously you had nothing to do with this. i want everyone to try to understand what happens in the f.b.i. if theet fbi is then investigatg the head of the cia, now, remember,he this started in may. they knew it was petraeus by...
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this is not the fbi operational side but the political side, the real question will be what did the fbi tell the attorney general and what was justice's call on what to do with that information. and that question hasn't really surfaced yet but when it does it will certainly royal. >> sharyl atkinson reported on cbs this morning there are members of congress now demanding a joint committee to investigate this. if there are enough members of on congress hungry to do that that will likely hospital which will mean a full on colonoscopy on this store. there are so many details to be learned. >> rose: david, in cases like this when we do these looking back journalists do and looking who said what when, there are always questions that come up like this. who should have when they first heard this, said the president has to know this? >> well, i think john raised this issue. as it comes up, the chain of command and the fbi, the fbi embarked into the inquiry of the cia director. if i were the director, i would properly go to the person i work for and that's the attorney general holder and give hi
this is not the fbi operational side but the political side, the real question will be what did the fbi tell the attorney general and what was justice's call on what to do with that information. and that question hasn't really surfaced yet but when it does it will certainly royal. >> sharyl atkinson reported on cbs this morning there are members of congress now demanding a joint committee to investigate this. if there are enough members of on congress hungry to do that that will likely...
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>> i would prefer you to the fbi. they have -- as i understand it protocols in place for when they notify the legislative and executive branches of investigations. and, you know, it is simply a fact that the white house was not aware of the situation regarding general petraeus until wednesday, and the situation regarding general allen until friday. so, you know, the fbi is the place to go in terms of an explanation of the protocols they follow. but i understand that that is the answer that they will give, that there are protocols they follow, that govern how they inform the various branches of government of these kinds of investigations. >> do you understand how people would think this is utterly bizarre, i mean the day after the election, and the anger you're hearing on capitol hill that they didn't know this was going on, at least the timing, at least the appearance. >> look, all i can tell you is when the white house was informed. and i would let the relevant members of congress explain to you how and when they wer
>> i would prefer you to the fbi. they have -- as i understand it protocols in place for when they notify the legislative and executive branches of investigations. and, you know, it is simply a fact that the white house was not aware of the situation regarding general petraeus until wednesday, and the situation regarding general allen until friday. so, you know, the fbi is the place to go in terms of an explanation of the protocols they follow. but i understand that that is the answer...